The rear sight can accept replaceable apertures. I need to make a decision as to which I want on my S12 and don't have a way to try them both out. The first man portable firearm with rifle sights was the Arquebus, invented in the 15th century. Adjusting the Kreb's sight post (stock A2 style) was hard as hell to get started since mine was all the way down when I recieved it. And which glock ghost ring did you use? The BelOMO collimator red dot sight scope PK-AB is designed for fast target accusation and precise pointing at the target when shooting in different lighting conditions - during the day, at dusk, or conditions of insufficient visibility.. Otherwise Ameriglo set is cheaper than Entreprise rear only. Saiga-12.com Corporation Open sights are often a compromise that works okay with both. Rear sight is of "ghost ring" type which can accept a replaceable aperture (aperture shown for illustration only). Sorry about the crappy pic, didn't take it intending to show the crosshairs. It replaces the front post. The hooded post is a bit thicker and leaves almost no clearance to get it screwed all the way in. So, without much difficulty the Williams WGRS-DISC rear peep sight could be installed on the Saiga with two 8-32 screws from inside the top cover. It would shave 1/4" off the height. The AK V-clamp can easily be mounted to any of the following rifles equipped with the standard side rail: AK-47, AKM, AK-74, Vepr, Saiga, K-var, … XS Ghost-Ring hunting sights offer improved accuracy and faster sight acquisition in a rugged all-steel design. Mossberg 590M Ghost RIng sights for sale, a 12 gauge mag-fed tactical shotgun that is just a winner. ATI Shotforce Deluxe Shotgun Heat Shield With Cooling Slots & Ghost Ring Sight fits Most 12, 16, 20, and .410 Bore shotguns. Hi-Viz Snap-on Sight Sorry. It seems the Browning T-Bolt Rifle has the same receiver curvature as the AK top cover. The ghost ring sight is a form of aperture sight developed more recently for use with firearms. I find these type of sight to be the best for HD, due to their quick target acquisition in low light conditions. Special Price $49.95 Regular Price $69.95. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. mossberg (in stock) 0.0. sight kit, ghost ring. Nick id s lifelong gun enthusiast who has a simple mission. Krebs no doubt but to make it even better get a KNS cross hair front sight, to replace the AR front sight post. What I don't like about front sight posts is that some times I would sight in on a brush guard not the post so something had to be done. AND I FREAKIN' LOVE IT!!! YOU SAVE $10.00! I've been wanting a KNS sight post for my Krebs but would like to see what it looks like installed on a Saiga. It features a clean-out tube, metal trigger guard and safety, black rubber buttplate, and a drilled and tapped receiver. And is the difference also in where they're mounted on the gun? Of course you do, and the GG&G AK-47 Ghost Ring Sight can make that happen! They can also special order orange or red color instead of green. Powered by Invision Community. By $54.95. Thanks for fixing my pic, Bob. Features: White on black front post that is perfect for all light conditions. Top Rated Plus. I have hears some say that a rear tritium distracts from the ghosting effect of the rear ring when you are supposed to be focusing on the front sight. 10 product ratings - Mossberg Ghost Ring Front Rear Sight Set for 12 Gauge Non-Ribbed Barrels NEW!! The tolerances were so tight that I needed a jeweler's screw driver to adjust the post up and down because there was no gap around it and the indentations were so small on the sight post. REAR SIGHT: Use a Glock 19 Rear Ghost ring sight like Enterprise Arms or AmeriGlow, FRONT SIGHT BLOCK: Use Dinzag's because it is aesthetically pleasing and XS 24/7 Tritium Front Sight Post. I'll post pics when I get a chance. I have since gone with a Doctor's size Red Dot mounted to a small picatinny rail welded to the gas tube. Iron Sights for Saiga Shotguns Krebs Custom Saiga 12 Combat Sights - Bolt-on sights with a ghost-ring rear sight that replaces the factory rear sight. Further measurement would be necessary and trimming would have to be exactly flat with the top of the dovetail groove. The thing I don't like about the Krebs style is the aesthetic look of the clamp on FSB and the rear ghost ring has no Tritium inserts. Buy the Krebs ghost setup. Ameriglo will not sell the rear separate and only offers green.   You cannot paste images directly. The rear Ghost Ring can be installed both ways, correctly and requires some trimming of the Saiga12 rear sight block or backwards and requires no modification to the Saiga12. Display as a link instead, × 28 watchers. Its an extremely tight fit, I think this may be because I got the hooded post instead of the regular version. The rear sight is a buckhorn notch that replaces the factory rear sight. History. ATI saiga rifle tactical stock set with pistol grip and .223 rifle accessories. For shooting at something I prefer the Krebs; the HK will work but not as well. Duplex meaning it has an adjustable dot in addition to the crosshairs. CSS SAIGA 12 BOLT ON TACTICAL SIGHT SET Bolts on to your Saiga 12 easily HiViz fiber optic front sight allows for faster target acquisition Price: $89.95 . ×   Your link has been automatically embedded. I sent an email asking that). I'm not big on tritium rear sights, you're supposed to just get your cheek weld and ignore the rear sight. Remember this is the hooded version; it has a thicker protective hood than the regular version. Rugged, low-profile aluminum sight has an anodized finish for resistance against corrosion. BTW: Entreprise will sell their rear only for $119. Other than Mojo sights, does anyone else make high quality aftermarket ghost ring sights that will fit on the Saiga? Paste as plain text instead, × I think I prefer the upper HK MP5 but both look great to me. It's hard to beat the Krebs Ghost Ring for sight picture. So I have just about all of my mods to my saiga but the sights. Is there some guy like Suarez that has an opinion on this matter? To be honest I'm not completely sure I've got it in all the way. Insert third tritium vial vertically and glue it in. After some more research it looks like Cobra used a rear sight from a Vent Rib Saiga12 IZ-108. It cures a lot of the problems with the sights blurring together. I do, however, have the HK sights on my M-11/9 SMG. How hard is it to get the glock sight in the rear? $45 with a C&R, http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/pro...160&s=50751. Rear sight is of "ghost ring" type which can accept a replaceable aperture (aperture shown for illustration only). Love to see that and maybe get one set up from you like that for playtime. It appears that after trimming the RSB there will still be a thin sliver of the sight block between the newly installed Ghost Ring Sight and the grove the front of the top cover slips into when installed. ernestmayhand, Try it out. Steel Heatshield; Elongated Cooling Slots; Matte Black Finish; AR-15 Style Fixed Nylon ghost Ring Sights; 13-1/2" long 3 Dealextreme Tritium keychains = $30 shipped. Krebb’s Iron Sights. Wilson Combat 7 Round Standard 12 Ga. w/Ghost Ring Sights/Sy. Ive beenn holding off getting one b/c I wasnt sure what it would look like. Get over the look of the pinch bolts, it's the best one out there. They're better than stock, but that's not saying much! The HK does have it all over the Krebs in the Panaché department IMO. I'm cheap, cause it lets me buy more guns! Open sights (as opposed to peep or ghost rign sights) are not fast or precise in general, and I view standard AK sights as a weak point in the design. Does KNS make one that'll fit standard AK threads? I don't have a Saiga with AK-type sights, but if I did, I would put the eastern block night sights on it. 1. Anybody has a pic of a gun with that system on? Thanks for the advice! I have the Krebs on my S-12. You can post now and register later. Went out with the new Krebs Ghost Ring sights this last weekend and am impressed. Where does the rear HK XS Sight system ring mount? September 19, 2008 in Saiga-12. OUT OF STOCK (0) Benelli Nova Pump Ghost Ring Sights. $95 - $105 Carolina Shooter's Supply Tactical Sights - Bolt-on sights with a fiber optic point-of-aim. With all due respect.... did you read my entire post before you commented? Some of the first innovations in firearms involved developing some form of aiming device to allow for greater accuracy. XS rear (H&K) sight is really an upgrade sight. http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/L...ns/IMG_0367.jpg, http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/L...ns/IMG_0368.jpg. There are a couple of current ghost rings styles companies are making (Tromix, Krebs). Get the Dinzag front sight, grind the post down to the fat part, and drill it out. Side note: You know, I just realized something; I think this may be the first post where I actually had something useful to contribute. This is technically a sling loop, but tons of people have used these as ghost ring sights on top of pump shotguns and love them. The picture on my Saiga with the ghost ring is intuitive and easy. Ditto +1 I have XS on both my 8" & 12" S17's and really is hard to beat. INFO: Bossman's post with installation pictures on AKFiles.com: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php...mp;postcount=17. × Upload or insert images from URL. Krebs no doubt but to make it even better get a KNS cross hair front sight, to replace the AR front sight post. nero IF it does/can, it would be more of an option, but I believe it still comes with the clamp-on FSB. Powered by Invision Community. I like the Krebs idea of a small circle within a circle. Ghost rings can be used with shot effectively but aren’t typically as fast but work well for slugs.   You cannot paste images directly. June 24, 2008 in Saiga-12. … Clear editor. Clear editor. Saiga 12 & Vepr 12 Elevated Steel Front Sight - EFS-S12 . Display as a link instead, × You get a ghost ring at the back, close to your eye, with a hooded tritium front. IDEA: Tritium Front AND Rear Ghost Ring Sights, http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php...mp;postcount=17, Need some Input and Help., Pistol Iron sights on S12 dovetail. Also, I don't think it's that bad, but my rule of thumb is: Don't trust anything that glows on its own accord. The thing I don't like about the Krebs style is the aesthetic look of the clamp on FSB and the rear ghost ring has no Tritium inserts. So if you want a different color in the rear sight, Entreprise is the way to go. Made from pre-hardened 4130 chrome-moly steel. AR-15 style fixed nylon ghost ring sights further enhance the high quality blued steel heatshield which has elongated cooling slots. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I want to keep this thread alive...really good stuff to see how it develops. Nick More from this Author . Front sight is made from 1018 case hardened steel, clamps on barrel and features an AR-15 front post and detent. I would like to see both and be able to aim with accuracy. I am digging it. With the rear sight at the back of the firearm, the iron sight accuracy should be better. But if you are in total darkness, aiming at a guy under who is visible near a light somewhere that isn't lighting you up, or if it is just totally dark & you are fixing to spotlight, ID him & blast a guy at night in your house, it is nice to have the sights lined up before you make you presence known, you know so there is one less thing to do in that critical moment... Is this set up (Dinzig+tritium insert) adjustable for elevation and windage? Add to Wish List Add to Compare. I know otherrs differ on this but the HK is attached to the dust cover the dust cover is not securly mounted ie it moves, that could throw off your slug shots by a lot. The Trimmed Saiga-12 rear sight block. The unmolested Saiga-12 IZ-109 Rear Sight Leaf Remove the factory rear leaf The Trimmed Saiga-12 rear sight block. I found some by Krebs that bolt on a new front sight post and uses a ghost ring in the factory rear location. 590A1 - 9 Shot - XS Ghost Ring Sights +4Stock #51771 . $124.99. Just hoping this is not an either/or thread, but looking for the best sight.If so, I will chime in.? Not too familiar with sights so I'm wondering what difference there are between the krebs ghost ring sights and the hk sights? It is pretty sweet! Notice the scratches on the top of the post? Brand New. Free shipping. I consider myself a novice still and have only shot slugs with my Mossberg with the bead sight and of course my Saiga with the factory sights so being able to look down the barrel through these Kreb's and hit a soda can at about 40 yards felt real nice. rear sight. Not a big saving over the set. I was looking for something better than the factory sights and the short sight radius. By I consider myself a novice still and have only shot slugs with my Mossberg with the bead sight and of course my Saiga with the factory sights so being able to look down the barrel through these Kreb's and hit a soda can at about 40 yards felt real nice. OK. Same with my Saiga Rifles so I ordered the AK front sight post kit form Tapco via Blackjackbuffers.com now that problem went away. http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/L...ns/IMG_0190.jpg. If I could do it again, I'd just get the regular crosshairs. Buy It Now. Saiga-12.com Corporation The front sight is made from pre-hardened 4130 chrome-moly steel while the rear sight is made from 1018 case hardened steel. Rear sight is of "ghost ring" type which can accept a replaceable aperture (aperture shown for illustration only). This might be cost prohibitive to do as an individual, but if a shop want to invest in this idea, they could probably get down to a Retail of $200? Has anyone tried this set up on a 109? Unconditional Lifetime Warranty. As a result it requires careful filing to fit perfectly tight. Which one of the two option does Tony/Tromix use? Add to Cart. How does the tritium insert work with the dinzag? On the receiver or in place of the original Saiga rear sight?!? 4.2" ITA Red/Green CQB Dot with QD Mount, Riser Adaptor UTG Leapers - SCP-DS3840W . I think you have a good idea there, not cheap but far better than factory. http://www.coloradoshooting.org/kns.htm I use this on my AR also. Windage is zeroed by rotating the front sight right or left (locktite … Something I lso talk about not liking.   Your previous content has been restored. About The Author. If I just wanted a tritium on the front, that seems like a good option with the stock rear sight. The ghost ring rear on the Civet is pretty fragile, though – one or two hard drops and it’ll be unusable. Paste as plain text instead, × Go with the Krebs and up grade it with a KNS Cross hair front sight that is a tough combination to beat. Save up to 5% when you buy more. If you want to install the Glock Tritium Rear Sight in backwards (white circles facing forward) then you could omit the trimming of the rear sight block and just file/fit the sight into the rear sight block dovetail groove. Fits: Most 12, 16 and 20 Ga and .410 pump shotgun barrels. I've never tried using them at night, but I can't imagine the glowing rear sight to be anything but annoying, you want to blur that out! Thanks. This is the thread where he elaborates on his sights: Need some Input and Help., Pistol Iron sights on S12 dovetail, _______________________________________________. That Docter on a low rail is a hot setup. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! For shotguns, iron sights come in beads, open sights and ghost ring sights. You don't need a Glock front sight tool if … Bead and open sights are easy and quick to use with shot. Swap the AR style post for a tritium one.   Pasted as rich text. So, here is my idea: This idea is based on my use of Scattergun Technologies Ghost Ring Sights with the Front AND rear Trijicon inserts. Sight 1 - GG&G "HK hook style sling thing" (thats really what its called). Ooo-kay, well for whatever weird reasons I cannot seem to be able to upload the last two pics. Add to Wish List Add to Compare. Is the HK XS compatible with a top gas tube welded rail?!? Here's some better pictures of the KNS crosshair sight post in a Krebs front sight tower. I've got the KNS hooded crosshair post in my Krebs sight and while it works great I gotta say, its just about impossible to get a good grip on it to screw it in between the "ears" of the front sight. After some more research, I have found another way to bring Ghost sights to the Saiga12. Fully adjustable for windage and elevation. lokmeup, Thanks. Do you need the elevated or regular Dinzag FSB? I think the ghost ring style would be faster to aquire than the diopter style. Mine did not have the adjuster on top just smooth round, but it turns up and down,. If you have ever tried aiming a front Tritium night sight in the dark WITHOUT rear Tritium inserts to reference, then you know you can only see the front bead. Large Ghost-Ring affords great field of view for fast target acquisition. Front sight is made from 1018 case hardened steel, clamps on barrel and features an AR-15 front post and detent. Oh, and keep in mind that you're trying to depress the front sight detent pin at the same time. There are a couple of current ghost rings styles companies are making (Tromix, Krebs). I've searched but found inconclusiive results. PS: This is not an attack against any company, I am just trying to figure out what I want for my Saiga.... Go to the parts page, scroll down to the bottom, anything like that XS sight system? Slide mounted ghost ring fits all standard size Williams WGRS or WGOS rear sight bases. $109.95. I always wondered if you took one of the holes on the hk site and bored it out to the same diameter as a ghost ring site,if you would have the best of both worlds. As an additional option, I would also look into Dinzag's sights as he has one that is similar to the Krebs. As stated in other threads, the Glock 19 dovetail is slightly larger than the Saiga dovetail grove. Oh well, anyway heres a link to photobucket to see what the sight picture looks like with the KNS post. On my springfield I have yellow rears and a green front. We have .308 rifle stock kits with pistol grips and tactical accessories for your Saiga 12 shotgun. Mossberg's 590A1 XS is a 12 gauge pump shotgun that features a 20" heavy-walled barrel with a cylinder bore and safety buttons built to Mil-Spec demands. If you still want to do the rear ghost too: buy some tritium vials, drill the ring to fit as many vials you want, where you want them, affix them with clear RTV. Thanks, that is a great setup! I was originally going to sight the crosshairs for shot and the dot for slugs but after experimenting a bit I think this proved unfeasible. I like it, but next time I think just welding a steel Doctors base directly to the gas tube would be better. I know otherrs differ on this but the HK is attached to the dust cover the dust cover is not securly mounted ie it moves, that could throw off your slug shots by a lot. As we all obsess over how we are going to modify our Saiga-12's to be better than factory, so have I. I like what I see available, but I am trying to make it the exact way I want it. Maybe Dinzag would want to look into distributing the rear ghosts and offering a package of the three for lower cost. Buy It Now. Installation was extremely easy and it took about 10 minutes. The HK XS sight system Tony mentioned does sound nice, but I'd like to see what the other two setups offer. 930 spx 18.5in 12 ga matte blue black lpa ghost ring sights 8+1rd. I was thinking about one of these for the front sight. I forgot about that aspect. After careful filing and constant checking fitment of the dovetail on the Glock Tritium Rear Ghost Sight drift it into the dovetail cut into the Saiga rear sight block. mossberg (in stock) 4.7 (3) firesight ghost ring (wgrs/wgos) williams gun sight (in stock) 5.0 (3) shotgun ghost ring sight sets. Watch; Shotgun Rear Adjustable Ghost Ring Sight - White Dot. × On a longarm though, that rear sight is always in the same place. Remove them from their plastic case, drill out a couple holes in the rear sight and glue two of them in? I can see it on a pistol, as you don't really know where the rear sight is if you change your grip, like you might in a tense situation. Upload or insert images from URL. Made from pre-hardened 4130 chrome-moly steel. If you look at the picture you will see what I mean. I went and bought the same set up at your reccomendations! and the Krebs is adjustable left to right,.. My Krebs/KNS fit but it was tight, now my KNS is one my AR-15 because I put my Krebs on my son's Saiga because he had that stupid rail thing and was complaining, I did put the plastic Tapco orange front sight in there for him. Magazines and Saiga-12 Compatibility: The magazine release is sturdy steel so we don’t expect durability problems, and it’s long enough for the AK-style “slap” reload – fast, not that difficult, and fun as hell. I had a hard time getting the double hooded KNS cross hairs in the Krebs front too, I had to make a special tool out of aluminum. Big dot on top of big dot= really fast sqcuisition. The unmolested Saiga-12 IZ-109 Rear Sight Leaf. Feels kinda good. The Duplex dot is about useless for S-12 and the thickness of the Hooded ring makes it a bear to install completely. Can ANYONE please post pic(s) of their Saiga with a KNS addition ? The white stripe draws focus to the front sight for fast target reference. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I also have both. BTW: Entreprise Arms (your link above) sells the Glock 19 rear ghost ring night sight for $39 (I'm not sure if it is the night version. You have to weld HK sight base on your reciever cover first. Out of stock. Facebook; Prev Article. It's a terrific sight upgrade for your AK rear sight and it is easily installed-replacing the rough, factory-furnished U-notch-blade rear sight with a Ghost Ring giving you that faster, more precise sight … I would say no, because I talk about the Tromix Night Sight specifically and why it is not what I am looking for. It creates a ring around another ring (the front sight guard is rounded) with an AR15 four-prong post in the middle. How do the HK sights function? Go with the Krebs and up grade it with a KNS Cross hair front sight that is a tough combination to beat. Installation isn't a problem (Tromix is doing this) so mainly just wondering along the lines of functionality. OUT OF STOCK (0) Benelli M2 Tactical w/Pistol Grip Stock, Ghost Ring Sights. Went out with the new Krebs Ghost Ring sights this last weekend and am impressed. Although pricey, an extra $120, the HK XS sight systems setup is hard to beat. OK, lets see if I can get this pic thing to work. I'll get the hang of this sooner or later. FEATURES: Front sight is made from 1018 case hardened steel, clamps on barrel and features an AR-15 front post and detent. Nice contribution. Sale Price: $79.95 . Unscrew the post from the Dinzig FSB, push out the windage adjuster to one side, and install new parts in reverse order. The front sight clamps onto the barrel and features an AR-15 front post and detent. Also I mistakenly got the Duplex version (has a vertically adjustable dot) which is great for a rifle but seems pretty unecessary on a shottie. Or at least as advertised, the Tromix Tritium Ghost Ring Sights do not have any Tritium inserts in the rear ghost ring. The pros vs. cons on the HK sight being on the dust cover but close to your eye has got me even more undecided now too. Saiga 12 Combat Sights. Glock Tritium Ghost Rings = $100 (Might be less if you could just order the rear sight.). Deluxe heatshield with cooling slots and mounted ghost ring sights is an innovated solution for installing combat sights on a shotgun. I have no experience with either sight system on the Saiga, preferring the pistol-style rear and the Russian bolt-on FST. Semi auto short, SPAS assisted, 870 competition barrel extended, 590a1 with ghost ring sights, Saiga 12 with triangle folder Saved by Jeff Scheffler People also love these ideas Hooded meaning the ring is thicker. The Krebb’s Iron sights consist of the front post pictured above and a ghost ring rear that sits in the slot on top of the gas tube of the Saiga-12. Also, did you look at these tritium inserts instead, http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/aksight.html. Very little clearance around the "ears" of the sight tower.   Pasted as rich text. Does anybody have a picture looking through the HK's or Krebs Ghost Ring's? Does theKNS Duplex screw into the front raised Krebs sight in place of the original peice? The circle is perfectly centered over the receiver, it is non adjustable, and appears to be a great height for the VEPR 12 front post. Please remember that this version is the Hooded Duplex. Odd. Use with existing factory front sight or with Williams Fiber Optic Rifle Sight Bead. I'm wondering whether these would be better than the XS? The front sight is just the right diameter to pick up in the rear ghost ring and does not float around inside the ring like a smaller front sight would. Shop our large variety of saiga accessories and ak 47 tactical conversion stock kits. It appears that after trimming the RSB there will still be a thin sliver of the sight block between the newly installed Ghost Ring Sight and the grove the front of the top cover slips into when installed. I may have actually even helped someone.   Your link has been automatically embedded. ×   Your previous content has been restored. I have also heard the other colors are not as bright as the green, so they wont stand out too much and distract from the front during aiming. That, and the lower priced front insert from Dinzag ($50), brings the cost of this down to $184 + shipping! Major PIA. Simply slide over barrel and secure with supplied hardware. In the pistol world some of the big boys are having quite a bit of success with using tritium only on the front sight for combat use. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6830. You can post now and register later. I'd like to buy a Saiga 16.3" carbine in .223, but my middle-aged eyes need something better than the AK type sights that are on it.